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« Reply #18 on: May 11, 2018, 08:32:53 PM »
George Solimine Sr's 3w Coupe from Nor Cal.
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Thanks for posting the G. S. pictures!!!

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George Solimine Sr's 3w Coupe from Ca.
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« Reply #21 on: May 12, 2018, 01:18:25 AM »
George Solimine Sr's 3w Coupe from Ca.
Wow, that looks like a nice car!
Ya it is.His son has it & it looks about the same.
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Jack Griener & his 32.
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I feel like were going to kick some butt today.
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In the T’s Not Buckets thread Beppie posted a photo with a guy that we are pretty sure is Tony Nancy. Does anyone else see a resemblance to Robert Stack in this guy?
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In the T’s Not Buckets thread Beppie posted a photo with a guy that we are pretty sure is Tony Nancy. Does anyone else see a resemblance to Robert Stack in this guy?
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In the T’s Not Buckets thread Beppie posted a photo with a guy that we are pretty sure is Tony Nancy. Does anyone else see a resemblance to Robert Stack in this guy?
From Motortrend Oct.8 1998

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It’s uncanny. At 79 years of age, Robert Stack still looks and sounds wholly ready to kick some criminal butt. Give him a dark suit, a cocked fedora, and a Tommy gun, and he’s back in your face as Eliot Ness, the G-Man extraordinaire he portrayed in living black-and-white from 1959 to 1963 on the classic Desilu series “The Untouchables.” Stack won an Emmy for that role, although he may be more quickly remembered by today’s TV generation for his no-nonsense hosting of “Unsolved Mysteries,” a popular crime series now flourishing in syndication.

But there’s more to Bob Stack than just a 60-year acting career that boasts movies as diverse as the 1939 romantic musical “First Love,” with Deanna Durbin, the first 3-D feature film “Bwana Devil,” and the hit ’80s comedy “Airplane.” Stack is also a first-class car guy, having raced homemade hot rods on SoCal’s dry lakes and setting a speed record in 1936 at a then-impressive 115.68 mph. He also captured several championships in hydroplane racing with his 225-cubic-inch Ford-flathead-powered wooden boat, christened “Thunderbird,” the first racing three-point hull on the West Coast.

Today, at an age when most men can only gaze into the past, Stack is moving as quickly as ever, enjoying life with his beautiful wife of 43 years, Rosemarie, and still working as often as possible. He appears in two feature films to be released this year, “Mumford” and a self-described “insane part” in a film by “Airplane” co-creator David Zuckor, entitled “Baseketball.”



 
Award-winning TV and film actor, all-American heartthrob of a generation, championship car and boat racer, world-record-holding marksman, and a fourth-generation Californian, Bob Stack is also one of the most eminently likable people you could ever hope to meet. His stunning ’60 Mercedes-Benz 300SL is on display at the Petersen Automotive Museum in Los Angeles, where we caught up with the tireless septuagenarian for “10 Questions.”

Q: Motor Trend: Your interest in speed began at a young age. What triggered it?
A: Robert Stack: My dad died when I was nine, and Clark Gable kind of became my surrogate father. I used to send away for catalogs of Talbot Lagos, a French car at that time. They used to put Figoni & Falaschi bodies on them; those were the bodies with the terrific long fenders. Another of my favorites was a 540K Mercedes, the one with the stacks coming out the side, and the sodium valves and the Roots blower, and, oh man, I don’t think you have to have any conditioning to like that, you could give it to any kid today and he’d go nuts.

Q:Were those cars you actually saw on the road back then, in Hollywood?A:Yes. I used to go out skeet shooting as a kid, from about 12 on, and that’s what the top-of-the-line actors did. Gary Cooper had a Duesy, a big agent whose name eludes me had a 540K, and the big question always was: Which is the hottest car. They’d bet thousands of dollars and take the cars out-of course, they didn’t race them themselves, they had drivers-it was actually a matter of showing off more than a competition. It was a matter of pride. It was so different then, having a Duesenberg was something else. J. Paul Getty would pick up my cousin in a lavender Duesenberg with the stacks coming out the side. There was a Bugatti showroom about four blocks from my house, on Wilshire Boulevard. In those days, when people were sportsmen, the cars just went along with it. Motorsports were always very important.



Q:How did you get into racing?
A:It began with a fellow with an old Model A, Al Jepson, who was a former bullring racer (a flat half-mile at state fairs and such-about the most dangerous racing there was); he raced at Indianapolis as a mechanic. I went by his shop one day, and he offered to give me a ride in this old Model A. Well, he had all kinds of special work done to it, you couldn’t see any of it, but when I heard it go ‘thump-da-da-thump,’ I knew it wasn’t the way Henry Ford designed it. We went cruising down Santa Monica and spied some ‘gow jobs.’ Well, Al jabbed it and speed shifted through three gears and sucked the goggles off all of them, we in this old funny-looking tub. And that’s where it began, it began with him.

Q:Were you were racing boats and cars at the same time?
A:I was also interested in speedboats, and we brought the first three-point-hull hydroplane out to California, and Al Jepson built up the engine. We had number one as a racing number for three years. Al also built that little Model A Lakester we took up to Muroc, and it went 115.68 mph in 1936, a time when not too many four-cylinder Fords did that. Hah, I remember that the compression was so high, 13-to-1 running 100 octane and methanol, that we couldn’t turn the engine over with a battery, so we had to drag it real fast and let out the clutch. But I was lucky to know the best. Ed Winfield was a close friend of mine. Anyone in those days who raced a car or a boat knows who Winfield was-his carburetors were the best-and he used to grind the cams. The Winfield Flathead was one of the hottest engines to come out of Indy, and, of course, the hottest one of all was the Novi, which he designed and put together. Those were great days, and it was like being a member of a club. I have a lot of great memories.

Q: Those were the days when racing was more open to the average person, as opposed to today, don’t you think?
A:Oh, yes, everything today is so sophisticated, so terribly expensive. Of course, you didn’t have Ferraris around then, nor even Mercedes, but it was a way of life that was exciting. I grew up with stuntmen who were as crazy as race car drivers. A reporter once asked me if I was ever on drugs. I said I never had to be. Speed is the best drug.



Q:Any close calls?
A:I wasn’t much good on a motorcycle. Nothing like my friend Steve McQueen; he raced Baja and could have turned pro. I damn near killed myself on an Ariel Square-Four motorcycle that Ed Winfield had built up for me. I was running up to Lake Tahoe with Carey Loftin, the stuntman, in the middle of the night. We were really flying until I hit some gravel on a long-radius turn, and that’s all she wrote. When I came to, Carey said, ‘Stick your tongue out, I want to see if your neck’s broken.’ A truck driver who came by wouldn’t pick me up, because my eyeball was sticking through my eyelid. He said, ‘This guy’s dying. I don’t want to have to go to court if he dies in the truck.’ So he drove off. I don’t want to do that again, but I would very much like to drive a thunderboat once, a little bit under break-your-ass speed.

Q:You’ve been friends with MT’s founder, Robert Petersen, for decades. How did you meet?
A: We met shooting, at Paul Henry’s place. Paul just about grew me up. He was a very fine shot and had this magnificent lodge with all the Olympic shooting sports, and he invited many of the world’s champions there to shoot. Petersen’s a damn good shot, but this was before I knew he was involved with motors and speed and all that. Then I realized he had several magazines that would interest me. Bob’s a super guy. He feels very much the same way I do. Several years ago, I got the Jack Webb award, which is for support of the police and law enforcement, and he got it last year. Without getting dramatic, it’s for supporting the good guys, and saying don’t put your arms around John Gotti, Lucky Luciano, or those other crumb-bums.

Q:Any good Bob Petersen stories he wouldn’t want you to tell us?
A:Heh, well, yes. You know, what they call hot rods now, we used to call ‘gow jobs.’ Gow meaning speed. Now, Robert is younger than I, and as the years went by, people started calling them hot rods, as in Hot Rod Magazine. So, one day, I said, ‘Robert, I don’t want to hurt your feelings, but you are a Johnny-come-lately. What the hell is a hot rod?’ He said, ‘What do you mean?’ I said, ‘It should be a gow job.’ He said, ‘What’s a gow job?’ I told him, ‘You see, you’re too young to know what that is. When you grow up, I’ll tell you.’ [Laughing] There’s no advantage to being old except that you know a lot of stuff!

Q:It’s been nearly 40 years since you first got the 300SL. Didn’t it look and feel like something from another world compared to the huge American cars on the road at the time?
A:I first saw the car in a showroom on Sunset Boulevard on the way to the studio. It was painted avocado green then, but the lines were just beautiful on the roadster. Every day I’d look at it, and my wife would ask why don’t I just save up and get it. Well, I’d never pay that much money for a car for myself. I might buy it for somebody else, but not for me. However, when it looked as if “The Untouchables” might win the Emmy, Desi Arnaz [the show’s executive producer] called Rosemarie and asked what I’d want. She politely asked what price ballpark he was speaking about, and Desi said, ‘you name it!’ So, now lap-dissolve to the night of the Emmys, and we’ve got six nominations, four awards, and I won one of them, Desi won one of them. We’re standing around holding the Emmys, and Desi says, ‘Let’s go outside, amigo.’ All of a sudden, I hear a roar and around the corner screams this green Mercedes and a guy with Mercedes overalls gets out and says, ‘Mr. Stack, here are your keys.’ Well, we were so nervous and so excited that we forgot we were supposed to go to Romanoffs for the after-party and didn’t remember until we were halfway to Santa Barbara. This car has been such an important part of my life, and I’m proud to have it on display at the Petersen Museum.

Q:Of the cars you’ve owned, which stand out in your memory?
A:My first car was a Willys-Knight, about a ’34 or ’35, which had a hand throttle, sort of like early cruise-control. I’d pull it out all the way and keep the car chugging along at top speed, about 65 mph, all day long. My father owned two Rolls-Royces, a beautiful canary-yellow roadster and a four-door sedan. They were real pieces of machinery, handcrafted. It’s the same way with my museum-class shotguns, they have terrific engraving on them. Someone will ask me if they shoot any better, but it’s not a matter of shooting better. It’s the feeling you get when you pick it up in a duck blind and look at it, noticing the hundreds of hours someone spent engraving it. I see in it what the creators did. It’s the same way for me with beautiful cars. But you know, the greatest frustration in having a high-performance automobile today is trying to drive it in Los Angeles
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Great story, thanks.

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Roadsterf

In the T’s Not Buckets thread Beppie posted a photo with a guy that we are pretty sure is Tony Nancy. Does anyone else see a resemblance to Robert Stack in this guy?

Fordors, his name is Rich Dederian and I believe he was a friend of Blackie Gejeian.

If you go to the Grand National Roadster Show & AMBR winners thread, the last post by Beppie shows Rich's roadster.

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« Reply #38 on: May 19, 2018, 11:47:55 PM »
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Thanks for posting this Beppie!

In the T’s Not Buckets thread Beppie posted a photo with a guy that we are pretty sure is Tony Nancy. Does anyone else see a resemblance to Robert Stack in this guy?
From Motortrend Oct.8 1998

Part Of An Ongoing Series
It’s uncanny. At 79 years of age, Robert Stack still looks and sounds wholly ready to kick some criminal butt. Give him a dark suit, a cocked fedora, and a Tommy gun, and he’s back in your face as Eliot Ness, the G-Man extraordinaire he portrayed in living black-and-white from 1959 to 1963 on the classic Desilu series “The Untouchables.” Stack won an Emmy for that role, although he may be more quickly remembered by today’s TV generation for his no-nonsense hosting of “Unsolved Mysteries,” a popular crime series now flourishing in syndication.

But there’s more to Bob Stack than just a 60-year acting career that boasts movies as diverse as the 1939 romantic musical “First Love,” with Deanna Durbin, the first 3-D feature film “Bwana Devil,” and the hit ’80s comedy “Airplane.” Stack is also a first-class car guy, having raced homemade hot rods on SoCal’s dry lakes and setting a speed record in 1936 at a then-impressive 115.68 mph. He also captured several championships in hydroplane racing with his 225-cubic-inch Ford-flathead-powered wooden boat, christened “Thunderbird,” the first racing three-point hull on the West Coast.

Today, at an age when most men can only gaze into the past, Stack is moving as quickly as ever, enjoying life with his beautiful wife of 43 years, Rosemarie, and still working as often as possible. He appears in two feature films to be released this year, “Mumford” and a self-described “insane part” in a film by “Airplane” co-creator David Zuckor, entitled “Baseketball.”



 
Award-winning TV and film actor, all-American heartthrob of a generation, championship car and boat racer, world-record-holding marksman, and a fourth-generation Californian, Bob Stack is also one of the most eminently likable people you could ever hope to meet. His stunning ’60 Mercedes-Benz 300SL is on display at the Petersen Automotive Museum in Los Angeles, where we caught up with the tireless septuagenarian for “10 Questions.”

Q: Motor Trend: Your interest in speed began at a young age. What triggered it?
A: Robert Stack: My dad died when I was nine, and Clark Gable kind of became my surrogate father. I used to send away for catalogs of Talbot Lagos, a French car at that time. They used to put Figoni & Falaschi bodies on them; those were the bodies with the terrific long fenders. Another of my favorites was a 540K Mercedes, the one with the stacks coming out the side, and the sodium valves and the Roots blower, and, oh man, I don’t think you have to have any conditioning to like that, you could give it to any kid today and he’d go nuts.

Q:Were those cars you actually saw on the road back then, in Hollywood?A:Yes. I used to go out skeet shooting as a kid, from about 12 on, and that’s what the top-of-the-line actors did. Gary Cooper had a Duesy, a big agent whose name eludes me had a 540K, and the big question always was: Which is the hottest car. They’d bet thousands of dollars and take the cars out-of course, they didn’t race them themselves, they had drivers-it was actually a matter of showing off more than a competition. It was a matter of pride. It was so different then, having a Duesenberg was something else. J. Paul Getty would pick up my cousin in a lavender Duesenberg with the stacks coming out the side. There was a Bugatti showroom about four blocks from my house, on Wilshire Boulevard. In those days, when people were sportsmen, the cars just went along with it. Motorsports were always very important.



Q:How did you get into racing?
A:It began with a fellow with an old Model A, Al Jepson, who was a former bullring racer (a flat half-mile at state fairs and such-about the most dangerous racing there was); he raced at Indianapolis as a mechanic. I went by his shop one day, and he offered to give me a ride in this old Model A. Well, he had all kinds of special work done to it, you couldn’t see any of it, but when I heard it go ‘thump-da-da-thump,’ I knew it wasn’t the way Henry Ford designed it. We went cruising down Santa Monica and spied some ‘gow jobs.’ Well, Al jabbed it and speed shifted through three gears and sucked the goggles off all of them, we in this old funny-looking tub. And that’s where it began, it began with him.

Q:Were you were racing boats and cars at the same time?
A:I was also interested in speedboats, and we brought the first three-point-hull hydroplane out to California, and Al Jepson built up the engine. We had number one as a racing number for three years. Al also built that little Model A Lakester we took up to Muroc, and it went 115.68 mph in 1936, a time when not too many four-cylinder Fords did that. Hah, I remember that the compression was so high, 13-to-1 running 100 octane and methanol, that we couldn’t turn the engine over with a battery, so we had to drag it real fast and let out the clutch. But I was lucky to know the best. Ed Winfield was a close friend of mine. Anyone in those days who raced a car or a boat knows who Winfield was-his carburetors were the best-and he used to grind the cams. The Winfield Flathead was one of the hottest engines to come out of Indy, and, of course, the hottest one of all was the Novi, which he designed and put together. Those were great days, and it was like being a member of a club. I have a lot of great memories.

Q: Those were the days when racing was more open to the average person, as opposed to today, don’t you think?
A:Oh, yes, everything today is so sophisticated, so terribly expensive. Of course, you didn’t have Ferraris around then, nor even Mercedes, but it was a way of life that was exciting. I grew up with stuntmen who were as crazy as race car drivers. A reporter once asked me if I was ever on drugs. I said I never had to be. Speed is the best drug.



Q:Any close calls?
A:I wasn’t much good on a motorcycle. Nothing like my friend Steve McQueen; he raced Baja and could have turned pro. I damn near killed myself on an Ariel Square-Four motorcycle that Ed Winfield had built up for me. I was running up to Lake Tahoe with Carey Loftin, the stuntman, in the middle of the night. We were really flying until I hit some gravel on a long-radius turn, and that’s all she wrote. When I came to, Carey said, ‘Stick your tongue out, I want to see if your neck’s broken.’ A truck driver who came by wouldn’t pick me up, because my eyeball was sticking through my eyelid. He said, ‘This guy’s dying. I don’t want to have to go to court if he dies in the truck.’ So he drove off. I don’t want to do that again, but I would very much like to drive a thunderboat once, a little bit under break-your-ass speed.

Q:You’ve been friends with MT’s founder, Robert Petersen, for decades. How did you meet?
A: We met shooting, at Paul Henry’s place. Paul just about grew me up. He was a very fine shot and had this magnificent lodge with all the Olympic shooting sports, and he invited many of the world’s champions there to shoot. Petersen’s a damn good shot, but this was before I knew he was involved with motors and speed and all that. Then I realized he had several magazines that would interest me. Bob’s a super guy. He feels very much the same way I do. Several years ago, I got the Jack Webb award, which is for support of the police and law enforcement, and he got it last year. Without getting dramatic, it’s for supporting the good guys, and saying don’t put your arms around John Gotti, Lucky Luciano, or those other crumb-bums.

Q:Any good Bob Petersen stories he wouldn’t want you to tell us?
A:Heh, well, yes. You know, what they call hot rods now, we used to call ‘gow jobs.’ Gow meaning speed. Now, Robert is younger than I, and as the years went by, people started calling them hot rods, as in Hot Rod Magazine. So, one day, I said, ‘Robert, I don’t want to hurt your feelings, but you are a Johnny-come-lately. What the hell is a hot rod?’ He said, ‘What do you mean?’ I said, ‘It should be a gow job.’ He said, ‘What’s a gow job?’ I told him, ‘You see, you’re too young to know what that is. When you grow up, I’ll tell you.’ [Laughing] There’s no advantage to being old except that you know a lot of stuff!

Q:It’s been nearly 40 years since you first got the 300SL. Didn’t it look and feel like something from another world compared to the huge American cars on the road at the time?
A:I first saw the car in a showroom on Sunset Boulevard on the way to the studio. It was painted avocado green then, but the lines were just beautiful on the roadster. Every day I’d look at it, and my wife would ask why don’t I just save up and get it. Well, I’d never pay that much money for a car for myself. I might buy it for somebody else, but not for me. However, when it looked as if “The Untouchables” might win the Emmy, Desi Arnaz [the show’s executive producer] called Rosemarie and asked what I’d want. She politely asked what price ballpark he was speaking about, and Desi said, ‘you name it!’ So, now lap-dissolve to the night of the Emmys, and we’ve got six nominations, four awards, and I won one of them, Desi won one of them. We’re standing around holding the Emmys, and Desi says, ‘Let’s go outside, amigo.’ All of a sudden, I hear a roar and around the corner screams this green Mercedes and a guy with Mercedes overalls gets out and says, ‘Mr. Stack, here are your keys.’ Well, we were so nervous and so excited that we forgot we were supposed to go to Romanoffs for the after-party and didn’t remember until we were halfway to Santa Barbara. This car has been such an important part of my life, and I’m proud to have it on display at the Petersen Museum.

Q:Of the cars you’ve owned, which stand out in your memory?
A:My first car was a Willys-Knight, about a ’34 or ’35, which had a hand throttle, sort of like early cruise-control. I’d pull it out all the way and keep the car chugging along at top speed, about 65 mph, all day long. My father owned two Rolls-Royces, a beautiful canary-yellow roadster and a four-door sedan. They were real pieces of machinery, handcrafted. It’s the same way with my museum-class shotguns, they have terrific engraving on them. Someone will ask me if they shoot any better, but it’s not a matter of shooting better. It’s the feeling you get when you pick it up in a duck blind and look at it, noticing the hundreds of hours someone spent engraving it. I see in it what the creators did. It’s the same way for me with beautiful cars. But you know, the greatest frustration in having a high-performance automobile today is trying to drive it in Los Angeles
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